Phooka?

Mar. 8th, 2007 06:42 pm
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Erikuz, I know you know, heck I know, already that Pan's Labyrinth is eating away at my brain, but this is seriously getting out of hand. It's now been two absolutely random dreams of Del Toro and that one lovely new girl in my Water Sports class looks too much like an older version of Ivana Baquero. Help, help, help!

But God, I'm loving it. ♥

And that's why all of you will go read Minotaur. Ever the most lovely piece of PL fanfiction I could have possibly come across. Please remember to send all those lovely squeeful hearts [livejournal.com profile] raihu's way. :3

Meanwhiles, graphic-ish Pan!art that must die and another Pan's Labyrinth WIP that will also die, because I never finish anything behind the cut.





Another doodle turned into something horrendously more. D;



And another eyesore under progress. Why are all my intial sketches so messy? D;


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Date: 2007-03-09 11:55 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] raihu.livejournal.com
I think you should probably be informed that you have powers. Lineart's amazing, and colour sense is fabulous. I'm a loser who agonizes over whether or not a shade of green is greeny enough, then goes ahead and chooses a sickly yellow instead. So this is particularly impressive to me. XD

Gah, you've got his profile down. And the feline cant to his features, too! ♥ ♥ ♥ Gods, looking over these, I just cannot stop loving your style. It's so smooth and clean and almost tribal in a way, but there's a spacey edge to it as well. I think I'm looking at the visual embodiment of "sci-fi/fantasy", and now I CAN'T LOOK AWAY! So much love.

And now I am vexed because I like to constructively critique rather than gush incoherently. Curse you, and your magical fingers!

Okay; instead of a crit, I shall interview. I actually really enjoy the underlying sketcherdoodle in the sing to me WIP; is that a basic overview of something you've already imagined, or do you start with nothing in mind and just gogogo? It looks spontaneous, but the balance is so cool and ... intentional-looking? XD

And! What's your software of choice? And! About how long did the coloured image take? And! Any artistic influences? Like I say, you have such distinct style; who was lucky enough to help shape it?

You make me too happy with that fic, you know. STOPTHAT.

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Date: 2007-03-10 08:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rinkatink.livejournal.com
I hope you do realize that this comment has inflated my ego to incomprehensible levels? In other words, OMG SO MUCH LOVE FOR THIS FEEDBACK - YOU ARE THE AWESOME SOCKS.

In truth, I truly dislike my style and adore yours, but I appreciate your words a little too much right now to try to bring myself back down to earth. Err, so instead more incoherent flailing on my part. I'm dead certain that I was a sea turtle or something in my past life; this flailing of the arms is being awfully overdone on my end. ♥♥♥

In regards to the concept behind the WIP, that was actually a ditty I had been entertaining for a while now. Fauns/Satyrs are often associated with playing a flute or other wind instrument of sorts, but in Pan's Labyrinth, such an item was never present. However, I recently saw an image of Doug Jones playing around with a bone flute-ish prop in one of the Behind the Scenes images on the official site and thus wondered if perhaps Del Toro had considered the idea (perhaps it was a scene that got cut or discarded?). Therefore the beginnings of an alternate concept where the Faun would play for our dearest Ofelia kinda rooted itself in my mind. That and another where I initially perceived, in my first watching of the PL film, the baby on the headstone to represent a monster child produced through an unholy union between the Faun and Ofelia later in the film (for God knows what reason) - but that's totally something different.

The only thing spontaneous about the WIP image is that it wasn't at all intended to be done digitally; in fact, I'm still bent on doing this with traditional mediums. XD;

In regards to my art process, I usually scan in inked images and work with them in Photoshop (Version 7.0), but draw digital doodles in OC (with the exception of this WIP, which was done in PS). Preference-wise, I use PS for more graphic-intended images and OC for more subtle coloring - or a combination.

Colored image took a little less than an hour. Scanned in the tracing paper that had the clean version and super speedy use of the Polygon Tool. I love me that Polygon Tool. :3

Style-wise, I actually can't define any specific sources (which is really odd considering I'm always gorging myself on eyecandy). When I first became interested in drawing (nearly three years ago when I was in 8th grade?) it was largely through the anime style that I made my art ventures. Upon the end of freshman year, I rediscovered Jenna Delle (who has really influenced much of my anthro and linework in my sophomore year). After that, I suppose I merely went on to expand in the following years and currently am trying to head my art in a more cartoonish/realistic centre rather than the anime style that I'm still having trouble shaking off.

Now, considering I'm done blabbing (finally!), may I venture to continue this little interview game, but this time with the questions directed towards you? I'm personally very curious about your art background/process; ESPECIALLY SINCE YOUR ART SO OWNETH MY SOULETH! D;

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Date: 2007-03-10 05:43 pm (UTC)
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(LJ cut me off. T_T Copypasta time.)

I've already decided that there are many reasons why I like you so much. We enjoy the same fandoms, you're intelligent and articulate and some kind of higher being with the tablet ... but, best of all? We clearly have the same thought processes.

I saw a number of PL trailers, but they all had strategic English narration over any moments of the actual Spanish dialogue. Ticked me off quite a lot; even then, I'd wanted to hear the faun's voice. Then, finally, on the one multicultural channel I get way out here in the tundra, I caught an original trailer. Well, I caught the end; my mom shrieked for me when she saw the beginning and I had to bolt across the house. AND! Just as I arrived, the faun was gesturing to the statue, saying something like, "Do you see that girl? That's you. And I'm there as well."

Next, of course, Ofelia asks, "Who's the baby?"

And the faun pauses, then answers, "Never mind."

And so, through a movie trailer, the OTP was born. EEEEEEEEEEEEEE.

But, yes. In my estimation, you deserve every scrap of praise I can articulate. Being one's own worst critic is unfortunate but pretty much unavoidable; but when a capable artist just ... gets sick of seeing their own style, that's when I put on my sadface. In order to develop and refine it, they have to look at it endlessly, get bored and dissatisfied while, in fact, their work improves. Wish I could hook you up to my excitement as a viewer; some kinds of art just make me giddy, and they always will, and this is one of those kinds. AND I NEED YOU TO SQUEE WITH ME

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Date: 2007-03-10 06:06 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] raihu.livejournal.com
AND WHY DOTH EL-JAY HATE ME SO?

Doesn't matter. It's sort of funny, actually, and I'm a persistent jerk. =D

Right, what was I talking about? THE ARTSES! I owe you answers, yes I do.

I flipflop a lot, in all respects. Composition concepts spring from full layouts that coalesce in my imagintionland, or from certain songs, colour combinations, or names/lines of dialogue that get stuck in my head. Sometimes I just sit down, scribble a line or two, and then try to make it into something.

Same thing with media. I do pencil sketching, a bit of inking, a bit of dumbfun marker work, a little painting, charcoal now and then (mmmm), and many digital things because they are tidy. XD I run Photoshop 7.0 and oC at home, and PS CS on my laptop. I think CS is the one that sees the most use lately. I wish I used oC regularly, but I can never seem to sit myself down in front of the home PC long enough. Just last night, with Yurlunger, I had to wait until 11:00PM to steal the compy and start doodling. XD

I tend to work fast, and lose interest quickly. Colouring takes me a while longer, though; and I tend to do some colouring, then erase it completely and start all over, yarrr.

And influences = Brom. Don't know why he's so prominent in my mind, but there it is. I also really love Salvador Dali, and as a matter of fact, Jenna's gallery on dA was the thing that really got me to attack my own talents, try to make more of them. She has an accessible style; her artistic abilities are light-years above the general dA crowd, but the way she approaches them is easy for almost anyone to understand. Sketch, outline, colour. To this day, I'm not really sure how much I've appropriated from her (and Schkyzm, lately), so I've been trying to do her a service and branch off in different directions. Learn, and then evolve, you know?

(See, there it is already. I would never, never talk about the idea that I might be stealing from Brom or Dali, because there's just so much aggravating detail and realism to their work. Argh, curse them. XD)

In conclusion, that's enough of me. OMG PLZ POST MOAR STUFF, lol.

♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ To make up for the general lack, ahahaha.

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Date: 2007-03-11 12:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rinkatink.livejournal.com
I flipflop a lot, in all respects. Composition concepts spring from full layouts that coalesce in my imagintionland, or from certain songs, colour combinations, or names/lines of dialogue that get stuck in my head. Sometimes I just sit down, scribble a line or two, and then try to make it into something.

Total ditto on the flipflopping for inspiration. Personally, I think having sparks coming from various spontaneous sources works usually better than having a set process. But just out of curiousity, do most of your works sprout as "do multiple drafts AND THEN create a final piece" or do you usually create the final piece off the bat? Mine's usually the former. D;

I'm not so diverse with media however. In contrast to what your magic fingers are such experts at handling (mind showing me how those markers work? I recently brought a nice set of Shin Hwa markers from my latest trip to Korea, but I'm too afraid of my incompetence to waste a drop), I'm the typical pussy who likes to stick mainly to pencil and ink with convenient software for the coloring. And while we're on software, how is PS CS different from the regular Photoshop? None of my friends have the program and I've yet to have seen what exactly differentiates the two.

I'm not too familiar with Brom, but I've seen the book cover art he did for the Forgotten Realm's "War of the Spider Queen" series (which is absolutely joygasmic) and the link you provided is utter ♥. The one chicken-leg lady image in his gallery has the most lovely detail on the legs.

And I could not have described Jenna's work better; it's so easy to get attached to her style and incorporate it into one's own that it's practically a black hole in of itself. Thus, utter joy to work with her style when one's first starting out then later a horrific nightmare when things start getting a little out of hand. Thus, I support, follow and quote ye on " branch[ing] off in different directions". :D

(See, there it is already. I would never, never talk about the idea that I might be stealing from Brom or Dali, because there's just so much aggravating detail and realism to their work. Argh, curse them. XD)

It's what makes them untouchable. Much like how I'm such an avid fan of Michelangelo's work on human anatomy, but there's no way at this stage that I could ever replicate such lines. D;

OMG PLZ POST MOAR STUFF, lol.

I WILLZ IF YOU DO. HEE! ♥

And because I literally can't get enough of you, what art profession are you considering? At the very least least, I'm under the assumption that you're in the pursuit of an art major. AND IF YOU ARE NOT, YOU HAVE COMMITED A MOST HORRIBLE SIN! REMEDY IMMEDIATELY!

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Date: 2007-03-12 05:00 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] raihu.livejournal.com
Oogh, lots and lots of my drawings are one-draft-only. If I had to name my biggest shortcoming, it'd be the fact that I lose interest in individual drawings far too quickly. D: Howevah, in the initial stages of character creation, I'll do tons of doodles all over the place while contemplating a final design and "housing background," I guess. And, needless to say, fanart requires a pantsload of trial sketches. All of my collected faun explorations could probably crush a small mammal at this point. XD

And that might actually explain my multimedia dabbling, now that I think about it. I get tired of compositions that don't "work" for whatever reason; if I get a bunch of those in digital doodles, I'll hop over to my sketchbook and start focusing on pencil and ink for a spell. (NO WAI, LOOK AT THAT, NOW YOU'RE EVEN LEADING ME ON A JOURNEY OF PERSONAL DISCOVERY! ♥!!!!) I love my marker-stints, though they never last long enough for my liking. Any other time, I've got exactly the same problem; I'll do a sketch, and like it, and be utterly convinced that touching it with a markertip will WRECK everything. Bluh.

OKAY. Must remember to scan those for you. ♥ Anything to help you produce new forms of drool-worthy artses! ♥ ♥ ♥

Photoshop CS is an odd duck. I got it for my Mac, and haven't really noticed many new features at all. For that matter, I use CS2 at the campus labs, and it's not much of a leap from 7.0 either. Same brushes, same toolbar layout. I think there are a few new layer blends and artistic filters in CS, but they're nothing really notable. If I'd, uh, paid money for it, I'd be some peeved. Keekeekee.

Got to admit, I'm kind of floundering in trying to decide what I'd like to do with myself in the near future. I love to draw; I love to write. In a perfect world, I'd be a concept designer for films or video games, but getting there is the tricky part. Right now, I'm in the first year of a university Design program that's giving me some angst. The courses themselves are quite good; I'm just terribly undisciplined in some respects. Our assignments are minimalistic, so that we can grasp the basic elements of design one by one, I suppose, but I just find them incredibly boring and continue focusing the majority of my attention on personal projects. Eek. I'm actually doing quite well despite that, but it's definitely starting to feel like I'm on the wrong ship, as it were.

Argh, there's so much I want to do, truthfully. Comic and poster art, animation, environment and creature design. I've got no idea where to start, and that little discouraging voice of doubt that haunts artistic-types 6 out of every 7 days in a week says I might not be particularly successful in any of those ventures. It's such a jealous ass.

And, WOW. This, obviously, is my Tragic Dilemma(TM) of the year. I could go on and on, and kind of have. Time to wrap it up!

But what about you? Are you studying at the moment, or working, or both? I would like to take this opportunity to say that YOU HAD BETTER BE HEADING IN AN ARTISTIC DIRECTION YOURSELF, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO KEEP TALENT LIKE THIS A SECRET.

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Date: 2007-03-12 11:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rinkatink.livejournal.com
Must remember to scan those for you.

Again, I'll never stop pestering you if you don't. I'm desperate. D;

I love to draw; I love to write.

I understand entirely what you mean. If life was good, I'd be writing books and making illustrations to go along with, doing children's picture books, and/or producing my own comics. For some reason, I'm actually more comfortable writing than I am drawing, but I figure art's more of my calling and that I wouldn't be able to handle the competition writing-wise nor the stress of struggling with advancing both sides of that ever-so-tantalizing dream.

Though, I must point out, that I hardly think that applies to you. You have such expertise in both writing and art that IT WOULD BE A SHAME if you didn't exploit both your talents. AND DON'T YOU DARE ARGUE OTHERWISE; I HAVE PROOF OF YOUR ABILITIES! >:D

I'm actually doing quite well despite that, but it's definitely starting to feel like I'm on the wrong ship, as it were.

It still must be extremely wonderful to at least be majoring in art. Perhaps I'm being delusional, but the life you describe to me seems awfully exotic (for lack of better diction). I'd just about die of happiness to be fully immersed in art, art, art.

Though, I'm deeply saddened that things appear to be going slow for you and if they are, that is also a sin because talent like yours going to waste is an utter nightmare; I'll cry!

And out of curiousity, university as in four-year college or art school? And please feel free to withhold from answering if my questions are getting too personal here!

Are you studying at the moment, or working, or both?

Oh, God, everything's still lightyears away for me, AND YET SO DAMN CLOSE. I'm only a junior in high school and won't be applying for prospective colleges till next school year. So I suppose the answer to your question is... neither? Or does currently taking art classes provided at a typical high school count? D;

Profession-wise, I'm particularly keen on pursuing a career in either 2D-Animation (I can't stand the idea of myself working 3-D; I love gorgeous game graphics and every other digital animation, but I like to stick to flat surfaces) or Sequential Art. Currently, Savannah and SVA are the ones I'd love to get into, as they offer degrees for both, but the problem is that SVA prohibits double-majoring. And while Savannah allows taking minors, I still desperately want to double-dip (without coming back years later for another degree) and receive the whole experience for both. Oh, woe! D;

Yes, that's me; I'm selfish and a worrywart to the dot. XD;

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Date: 2007-03-14 04:49 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] raihu.livejournal.com
AND DON'T YOU DARE ARGUE OTHERWISE; I HAVE PROOF OF YOUR ABILITIES! >:D

I was actually going to, but I saw this and mentally went, "Yes'm". XD

But yeah, I've got the same affliction; feel fairly settled in writing, and yet find it more prudent to pursue a career in the visual arts. (2D for me as well; I've vaguely entertained the idea of trying out some 3D design courses, but the concept of working in three dimensions smacks away what confidence I do have. Too bad; I've been infatuated with 3D from a distance since watching behind-the-scenes production films for the movie Reign of Fire ♥) I might do some transferring within my current faculty, but I know that I'll be sticking to fine arts. I've actually got my eye on some illustration courses for next year, so we'll see how that goes.

I'm in a neat situation right now (which is why I'm loathe to switch straight out of Design before giving the second year a shot); I'm a registered student of both York University and Sheridan College. The Design program is a joint degree supported by both institutions; so I'll end up receiving an actual university degree, but I also have access to the applied-technology practicuum courses at the college. Kind of like a best of both worlds scenario. *glee*

Funny thing is, I found the program completely by accident, about a month before applications were due, so I just went for it. No backup plan or anything, and despite almost giving myself a heart attack, it actually turned out well. KINGLY, even.

And now I feel the need to bend the restrictions imposed by time and space, and totally drag you around campus with me. ♥ While the assignments are a little uninspiring at the moment, nothing beats the somewhat childish satisfaction of walking around university grounds thinking, OMG, I AM BEING EDUCATED-ATED-ATED! XD

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Date: 2007-03-14 10:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rinkatink.livejournal.com
... I think I need to administer a correction. All the cool people I know aren't just on the Internet; they're also located on the East Coast.

And that just makes this little West Coasterner want to cry inside. D;

Funny thing is, I found the program completely by accident, about a month before applications were due...

Am I allowed to say, JEALOUS ANY? Because I would totally eat your brains right now if ♥ for you did not drastically exceed any green feelings.

And just because I'm a total lame-ass nerd, just decided to state that you've made me exercise use of the semicolon far more than any other English teacher I've had in my life; I declare you a living breathing miracle especially since I'm absolutely terrified of using the semicolon!

And now I feel the need to bend the restrictions imposed by time and space, and totally drag you around campus with me.

I would die of happiness. I long ago decided that you were crazy spectacular deity in human form and I'd be all too willing to be dragged around, if only to bask in your presence.

And I'm being serious, truly. Heck, I check nearly my e-mail nearly three times a day to see if you've replied back yet, check my Friends page just as many to see if you've posted lovely art/whatnot, and the fact that such an awesome person as yourself exists quite literally makes my day. Thank you! ♥♥♥

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Date: 2007-03-15 03:21 pm (UTC)
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♥ like whoa.

Am I allowed to reveal the fact that I've been doing the same? MAYBE EVEN WORSE? I've been stalking LJ hardcore, hitting refresh ("HOMG, REFRESH THE PAGE, REFRESH IT NOW!") too often to be normal. But then it takes me forever to formulate a coherent reply, so I end up making you wait, damn these unspeedy fingers ...

But you're more deified than I am. Because I said so. Also, there's empirical proof all over the place (ie. the entry above, the artses, the encompassing wonderfulness! ♥ ♥ ♥)

Semi-colon and I, we're tight. XD

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Date: 2007-03-10 11:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rinkatink.livejournal.com
I've already decided that there are many reasons why I like you so much. We enjoy the same fandoms, you're intelligent and articulate and some kind of higher being with the tablet ... but, best of all? We clearly have the same thought processes.

You continuously keep taking these words straight right out of my mouth. STOP THAT and, of course, know that said described feelings are +++ shared from my ikkle heart. ♥

Next, of course, Ofelia asks, "Who's the baby?"

And the faun pauses, then answers, "Never mind."

And so, through a movie trailer, the OTP was born. EEEEEEEEEEEEEE.


The only research I did for PL before my initial viewing was a brief look over at the official website (of course, remedied as soon as I walked out of the theater), but YES, YES, YES, I was all over that particular scene when it played on the big screen. Hey, that rhymes! And when the Faun followed that little slip with a little touchy-feely with Ofelia (and here she was, giving off a rather WTF!look) AND that predatory stare, that was PURE ICING.

Sometimes I seriously have to wonder whether if all these Faun/Ofelia subtle hints were intentional acts on Del Toro's part. Heck, there was an interview (http://uncutvideo.aol.com/videos/7fd7793bf82ac091bb2da237a7ee1e07) where he said his favorite story tale was "Hans the Hedgehog" which served as one of the earliest forms of "Beauty and the Beast" (which could be one way to see the Faun/Ofelia pairing - a union between a bestial being and a virgin, not only sexually but also in a mental aspect, girl) and I recall reading somewhere that there was one point where Pan seduced the moon goddess Selene. Now considering that the Faun is representative of Pan's kind (did you notice that in the references I sent you yesterday-ish that they even gave him genitalia (http://www.thedougjonesexperience.com/panDDT~14.htm)?) and Ofelia has been labeled as a "Child of the Moon", the parallels are awfully similar. Furthermore, there are multiple site(s) (http://www.movieweb.com/movies/film/72/3772/summary.php) that describe the synopsis of the movie as one where "their eldest daughter [Ofelia], at age 12, falls in love with a fawn that lives in the old ruined labyrinth which resides behind their new decrepit home". Supposedly, this was a summary drawn when information about the movie first started leaking out (and note, that "faun" has been misspelled here), but I still consider this little ditty oddly suspicious.

Anyway, enough speculation from me. Instead, I must thank you again for such praise AND OF COURSE I AGAIN INSIST THAT THE FEELING IS SO MUTUAL WHEN CONCERNING YOUR OWN ART (♥). You give me sadfaces when you restrain yourself from showing your own work. *hint hint*

And oh, I squee, dear. Yes, I do!

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Date: 2007-03-12 06:28 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] raihu.livejournal.com
IT IS TRUE. Besides all the subtext in the movie itself, the presence of a faun or satyr in any story pretty much guarantees the seduction of young (or otherwise "innocent") girls. Since seeing PL, I've gone back to my fairy tale volumes (they're ... still on my bookshelf to this day XD) and read through similar stories. Fauns tempt and tease without fail; the one variable seems to be whether their intentions are outright evil or not.

Then, applying the name Pan to the title in the English release of the movie is pretty much the ultimate wink, wink, nudge, nudge, even if it was done to clear up the faun/fawn issue.

What I didn't know (didn't even consider, bad me) was how many other stories and mythologies del Toro must have drawn from. (OH, YOUR LOVELY LINKAGE! ♥ ♥ ♥) Makes me want to start tracking fauns and similar entities through different cultural stories and legends, see if they always keep the same characteristics.

Um, there's a possibility I'm about to get carried away. I love eet.

Gah, I've been edgy about sharing art for years, and it's only taken you a few days to start wearing me down. You do have powers, and they're greater than I ever imagined. XD

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Date: 2007-03-13 05:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rinkatink.livejournal.com
While we're on the subject of the typical faun complex, their nearly insatiable infamous appetite for wine and physical pleasure could probably come into account. Seeing as they're notorious for chasing young maidens (particularly nymphs), that's more than likely another tally mark for we Faun/Ofelia fans. The predatory looks, significant caresses, curiously out-of-the-way acts on the Faun's part to comfort Ofelia, and later his demands of total subjugation from the girl (though, admittedly, this may just be another ploy to test her principles - an example of the "choice" concept Del Toro notably stresses) in return for sanctuary can all be easily interpreted as subtle steps to attain a personal goal. Reasonably, that goal could be to seduce the princess.

I'm under the belief that the Faun truly does love her, but it's impossible to ignore the question of lust altogether. The Faun remains a faun. Fauns are both beautiful and cruel creatures. Fauns are ultimately a living contradiction in of themselves. All [dark] fairytales equally share this paradoxical concept; it is this darkness that both ultimately repulses and entices its audience. Thus, the relationship between the Faun and Ofelia can only be expected to follow the same; it is a mixture of heartbreaking fragile beauty both preserved and tainted by a feral essence of perverse love. Though that still doesn't help me any on how to visually portray them together. I'm desperate to keep to this painstakingly difficult "dark yet beautiful" concept I"m so avidly entertaining, but the idea of them graphically copulating together is something that rather truly frightens me (for the moment ignoring the fact that I don't even do NC-17 artwork, fic not included) in the sense that I couldn't possibly decide nor comprehend how to approach that despite I was under the firm impression that the Faun, under dangerously dubious consent, would foster a child with Ofelia. AND, I only just further contradicted myself by stating that lust was inevitable, but I myself would have a hard time dealing with that.

... Woah, HUGE SPEAL THAT HAVETH NO ENDETH. Now look what you made me do! D;

And, GUH, just because I cannot get enough of this Faun/Ofelianess (an ever-growing obsession growing impossibly far too tantalizing with your wonderful self ever spurring me on), may I bother you into describing your own interpretation of their relationship? I'm fairly certain we're on the same track (huzzah for alike mind processes!), but I'm honestly truly interested in your take on things. Moreover, what with you, being far more eloquent than I am, will definitely describe this complex relationship much more fully than my tiny mind could ever concoct. And maybe I'm just trying to leech more writing from you, but you didn't just read that.

Gah, I've been edgy about sharing art for years, and it's only taken you a few days to start wearing me down.

I have an incredibly hard time showing my work in real life as well (these arms are such handy little appendages for covering up work), but I'm starting to realize that the benefits of getting out of that particular shell far excede the security of solitude. At the moment, the anonymity the Internet provides has served as an astonishingly comfortable medium. Woohoo!

And meanwhiles, a happy little victory dance for me; you do know that ultimately this is a win-win situation for you as well? Besides, I'm certain I'm not the only one who's been urging you to show more of your work, so let's count in all those other precious folks who benefit from raihu!eyecandy. ♥♥♥

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Date: 2007-03-14 07:19 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] raihu.livejournal.com
(OH SHIII. This reply is too long to fit in one comment. Splitting it in two and I am ... so sorry. Precious moments of your life, devoured! But I'd do it again. ♥ ♥ ♥

I find myself producing more work for this pairing than I'd have believed I could milk from the whole cast of characters, and it's only been about two months since I first saw the movie. There's a pretty clear explanation, though; without even thinking about it, I just started trying to define the more nebulous points of their relationship - and there, uh, turned out to be a lot more of those than I'd anticipated. On top of that, things are complicated by the fact that - in a fairy tale - there are no real answers or histories so much as there are allusions and stories older than the one that's being told in the moment. Makes it nigh on impossible to say, "Oh, let's just assume they met like this," because everything in a fairy tale is connected, and chance meetings could lead to a massive unfolding of events thousands of years later, and one misstep in all those thousands of years by just one key character might bring the whole horde of otherwordly scavengers down on the pretty little kingdom, and there goes your happily ever after.

Now I may (ohohoho) just be trying too hard to retain atmosphere, but I've always found that an important part of any story. Can't help myself, really.

So in the case of Ofelia and the faun, their meeting is a necessary thing. When the faun was scolding her for having stirred the Pale Man, I got the sense that if she died in the mortal world, it would be the absolute end of her father's bloodline, and all the aspects of the Underground that had grown up around rule by that family would die out as well. The faun knows this; she doesn't. And that's heart of their relationship, in my estimation.

Whether or not you suppose that he knew Moanna (I obviously like to toy with the thought that he did), Ofelia's a different girl. Similar, but she is in fact a reincarnation, so she lacks memories of the Underground kingdom. The faun, of course, does not; that means he can take a faun's delight in leading this pretty young girl to dangers she can't possibly imagine, in giving her lingering touches that she doesn't really understand, and all the while he gains her tentative affection because he is her only link to the life she was always meant to reclaim.

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Date: 2007-03-14 07:20 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] raihu.livejournal.com
But I think that he does love her, too; she is, quite literally, his whole world. Everything he knows would disappear if she ever died, and he had to wait so long for her. This, I think, would encourage him to use all of his ancient knowledge to protect her as well. (Can't help thinking that a typical faun would exult in describing the Pale Man's taste for children's flesh right before sending Ofelia to face him, but ours withheld most of the details and just stressed the most important point: don't eat anything.)

Okay, that was the longlonglong answer. More concisely, I think their relationship centres on Ofelia's ignorance (in comparison to an ancient creature, anyway) and the opportunity it provides the faun to both taunt and safeguard her. I can easily see her getting attached to him as a guardian and then, in the way of a little girl about to mature, begin to understand that those childish affections run deeper than she'd thought. A selfless guardian would have her best interests in mind and gently deter her, but I get the sense that the faun would be all too happy to let admiration become infatuation. That's the really delicious darkness I see in the pairing: one doesn't know any better, and the other knows too well. It gives the faun power over Ofelia that she can't even recognize.

The idea that he'd raise a child with her is a good one. It's odd; I got exactly the same vibe from the statue-in-the-labyrinth scene ("YES! Hideous hybrid baby time!") but never actually considered slipping an infant into their story. Seems to me that the faun would be glad to nuture a child (he coddled his fairies well enough, and his initial reaction to seeing that only one had returned from the encounter with the Pale Man was more like distress than anything else), though he'd certainly have an ulterior motive. Possibly it would be a tangible link between himself and Ofelia, something else to make his influence on her all the more profound. Not sure yet, but it's a wonderfully creepy thought.

And while this personal plotting (for devious OTP reasons) is all well and good, I am unfortunately super-wussy about even trying to sketch their interactions. There's just the general issue of the faun, naturally, and all of his intricate gestures. Drawing anything more is beyond me at the moment; it really is difficult simply to contemplate a sexual union between these two. It seems entirely wrong (which is kind of what makes the pairing *cough* so right) and I'm not sure how to approach it. Could just let it lie, but I feel like it needs to be addressed somehow. All I've got at the moment is a fraction of a ficlet, just several paragraphs spent describing close contact, and it feels too inelegant. That's always the problem: nothing about this pairing should be coarse.

Sometimes I wish I wasn't such a morbid-curiosity-extraordinaire. Things might be a little easier. But then who was ever happy with "easy"?

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Date: 2007-03-16 04:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rinkatink.livejournal.com
HOLY CRAP! Now you're making me exceed the word/character limit too! Expect a post accompanying this one a little later - I'll have to place all my feedback on the "monster child" idea in that one. D;

That's the really delicious darkness I see in the pairing: one doesn't know any better, and the other knows too well. It gives the faun power over Ofelia that she can't even recognize.

You just hit those points right on the dot now, don't you? ♥

While we're at it, I'd have to poke in the fact that Ofelia is at a wonderfully vulnerable stage. Other than the fact that the normal realities of her environment are violently unstable, paving way for easy manipulation from anyone who promises salvation or at least temporary comfort, Ofelia's on the brink of entering puberty and sexual awareness - womanhood. The fact that Ofelia is a child of the moon, that the gate only opens when that celestial being is in its full phase, that she is adorned in red upon entering her kingdom, can further represent this fruition. Every month a woman has a menstrual period and this may portray Ofelia's entrance into that nearly life-long cycle. Moreover, with this first step into puberty, this serves as a perfect moment (as fate would have it) for the Faun to enter her life, become a central image, and establish a parental/guardian role while also cannily directing Ofelia's just-developing emotions towards himself, again as you've stated, for his own ulterior motives. His continued contact (literally and metaphorically), while initially perceived as nothing more than questionable caresses, could be interpreted as figuratively stoking the first few unconscious embers that will begin her transition to a fully-grown female; with slightly more graphic diction, one can take this as the Faun "taking her virginity" in the sense that he is removing her from her childhood, a small pot, and "fertilizing" her by planting her anew in a plot of soil that allows her to blossom to an adult female.

And again with the sex talk! D;

Furthermore, the relation created between Ofelia and the faun is the first to fester without being due to default (such as where Mercedes is met through her role as housekeeper, Vidal as her stepfather, Carmen as Ofelia's mother), a relationship only continued through Ofelia's conscious actions by continuing the three trials and giving assent to follow the Faun's directions. By being her "first", there's an automatic attachment made. First love, first kiss, first true suckle at the breast of life. Thus, despite that the Faun threatens to leave her, she more than happily accepts him back into her otherwise broken existence, practically flying into his arms when he offers her that precious second chance.

So while this seems awfully pedophilic of me to say, I have to further salute GDT's choice on establishing Ofelia's age as it were.

"YES! Hideous hybrid baby time!"

... I think I had a total brain fart when I read that. You are the best!

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Date: 2007-03-16 04:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rinkatink.livejournal.com
Err, this was cut off from that just recent post; even if I did cut out the monster baby talk for later, it still wasn't enough. >:O

It seems entirely wrong (which is kind of what makes the pairing *cough* so right) and I'm not sure how to approach it. Could just let it lie, but I feel like it needs to be addressed somehow.

You, me, and our love of unconventional pairings. Oh, woe! ♥

Perhaps its my need to explore all aspects of a relationship, but I'm sorely compelled to somehow address the whole "sex" question. It's easy enough to address it metaphorically, but PL is a thoroughly graphic film with subtle figurative underlining, and to express one and ignore its counterpart seems almost cowardly on my part. The problem is, as you've stated, that nothing should be coarse. D;

And considering the baby concept, I'll probably have to commit myself to figuring out this "sexual union" at some point. I certainly can't pull myself a trick out of the biblical magic hat and assume that she had a virgin birth.

Things might be a little easier. But then who was ever happy with "easy"?

Fandom isn't known for doing this to you, but if I don't gain a few extra creative brain cells while analyzing this "study", I'll be sorely disappointed.

Though, I'll admit, I probably would have busted a nerve trying to sort my mind through all that PL poses for you; thank you for joining me on this heck of a joyride. ♥♥♥

Meanwhiles, I demand more from you! Where are these lovely Pan!works that you keep talking about, but never show me? D;

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Date: 2007-03-16 10:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rinkatink.livejournal.com
Now I may (ohohoho) just be trying too hard to retain atmosphere, but I've always found that an important part of any story. Can't help myself, really.

I'm under the impression that the subject of atmosphere is one of the crucial points that keep PL together. Knock aside that framework, choose to manipulate rather than expand, and unwittingly shatter those essential features results in outright crack-ish items like Tim Burton's "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory" (not that I don't love the movie or you, Mr. Burton) to the typical bad Disney sequel (with the exception of "Bambi II"; I adore eet!).

Whether or not you suppose that he knew Moanna (I obviously like to toy with the thought that he did), Ofelia's a different girl.

I agree with your assumption that he knew Moanna, or at least that they had encountered one another briefly. Yet, for whatever reason, I had entirely failed to acknowledge that essential difference between Moanna and Ofelia (and by that, I do not mean the whole memory issue, but rather that they are separate entities). Now perhaps I'm thinking a little too hard (or even possibly entirely misinterpreting what you meant, so slap my wrist - quickly - if so), but that makes one wonder on the Faun's stance on all this. Does he love Moanna or Ofelia, the original or the reincarnation? Does he assume them one and the same and therefore love Ofelia as he would have Moanna? Or rather, is his love for them separate? Perhaps he relegates his affections to Ofelia, Moanna's reincarnation, as she serves as a replacement for that which was lost? Or what if, this love for a long absent princess did not fully blossom until the arrival of Ofelia, the reincarnation?

And a few more scenarios and what-ifs would follow these if my brain did not hurt as much as it did currently. GUH. D;

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Date: 2007-03-19 05:35 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] raihu.livejournal.com
Does he love Moanna or Ofelia, the original or the reincarnation?

EEKS, I HEART YOU SO MUCH.

The conglomeration of questions here pretty much give order to the chaos of my own curiosity when it comes to this topic. For the longest time, I've been wanting to address (through fanfiction again, sigh) the issue of original versus reincarnation. It was the very first twinge of inspiration I felt for this fandom, while still watching the movie: if Ofelia and Moanna could meet, what might each mourn having lost to the other? Later on, I batted some fairly crappy ideas around (meeting in a dream was the best I could come up with), but I only put down a few fragments before deciding that it wasn't worth continuing - not like that, at least.

You've got me thinking, though, and pretty wildly at that. ♥ I'm having trouble coming up with a definite answer; letting all those questions hang together is just too spectacular. Feels again like something I shouldn't disturb.

Having said that, I can easily envision (and feel my fingers get all spidery at the mere thought of it) fic that hovers around all those possibilities. Does the faun love Ofelia? Maybe. Did he love Moanna? Maybe. Does he see parts of each in the other? Maybe. Is he looking for Moanna in Ofelia? Maybe. If he loves Ofelia, is it because she's all that remains of Moanna? Maybe.

Did the faun even really know Moanna?

I'm also liking the concept that there actually is an element of Moanna in Ofelia (her entire personality lying dormant, even), and the faun is able to shake it from sleep, and - then what? Ofelia fades away and Moanna lives again? The two end up melding to create someone entirely new? All the possibilities here skate dangerously close to AU scenarios (which I've never been all that adept at handling *sob*), but they have their merits.

OKAY, NOW I AM JUST GOING ON AND ON AND ON ABOUT FIC POSSIBILITIES. Stop being selfish, me. You definitely did not miss the point, milady; in fact, you clarified it like shaZAM, and I'm kind of laughing at myself because all I've managed to do these last few months was confuse the issue. But now it is saved! I'm in your debt so big-time that it's terrfying.

My dependence on you is increasing with each passing comment. XD You had better produce comics in the near future; seeing your abilities in art and story development combined would be like some wonderful, jewel-encrusted dream come true! Hint-hint, subtlety, ohoho.

Also, I hadn't realized how mean I was being. D: Most of the examples I've been whipping out of the white space are little written fragments, not much more than verbal sketches. And actual sketches ... are sketchy at best, aha. Because you have put a stranglehold on my fannish little heart so quickly, I'd be happy to share them anyway, but I have mild fear that they will make you go, "Ew." XD

And finally, our little discussions about markers actually got me into a markering mood a few nights ago. The results are not really helpful, but they do betray my usual routines for slapping down solid colour or doing a bit of layering for shadow. Those are here. Slapdash messiness here and here, and I'll look for some better colour examples shortly. I'm sorry; I'm so disorganized, and my crap is everywhere. D: Regardless, I know you'll be able outdo even my best work once you get going, and I want to seeee!

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Date: 2007-03-31 06:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rinkatink.livejournal.com
Before I go off on anything else, so many apologies for the utterly belated reply. Between massive homework loads and preparing for Sakura-Con, I haven't had the time I desperately need to respond to your comments of ♥. Again, so sorry! D;

These are the kind of responses from you that make me look around for the household dog and squeeze the poor creature to death whilest I squee enthusiastically as I read (and reread!) your comments over, and over, and over again.

So, if you ever get something in the mail about suing for a crushed housepet... yeah. :D

And while I am thankful that I have contributed something to this most lovely discussion, all salutes go to you here. As I stated before, I really, truly, had not, for a moment, even considered the concept of Moanna vs. Ofelia. Quite frankly, I simply stood around oblivious and even had a hard time remembering Ofelia's counterpart's name for nearly the first two weeks upon entering this fandom. So, thus, imagine my overwhelming surprise when I finally absorb the crucial point that these girls are very much two different people and question upon how this fits into the whole Faun/Ofelia thing we have going.

So allow me a moment to shout this all the way from the opposite side of the country: YOU ARE THE MOST AWESOME PERSON EVER. PERIOD.

OKAY, NOW I AM JUST GOING ON AND ON AND ON ABOUT FIC POSSIBILITIES.

NEVER, EVER, EVER, STOP. Not only does it feed this ravenous soul ALL TOO WELL, but you're pretty much my main "fountain of life" at this point. OH YES.

Most of the examples I've been whipping out of the white space are little written fragments, not much more than verbal sketches. And actual sketches ... are sketchy at best, aha. Because you have put a stranglehold on my fannish little heart so quickly, I'd be happy to share them anyway, but I have mild fear that they will make you go, "Ew."

And there you go again, so doubtful of yourself. STOP THAT and show these pretty things. Pushing that greedy eyecandy-leech portion of me aside, you truly need to realize talent such as yours is never something that should be kept hidden. THAT'S A SIN (I seem to be using this statement a lot lately), but it's also a personal injustice to you as an artist. For reals. ♥

Meanwhiles, so much luff, luff, luff, for these marker helps. I'm so desperate to put these lovely things to good use, and your examples are finally pushing me out of that "cowardice" area. May I only go further on to ask what paper you usually use markers on? I have a friend who somehow manages to get by on computer paper, but my past experiences make me extremely wary of trusting such thin material.

Adding a little more ♥s in here, because MY GAWDS I HAVE MISSED YOU SO TERRIBLY SO. ♥♥♥♥♥

(no subject)

Date: 2007-04-10 04:03 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] raihu.livejournal.com
I - I took just as long with this one. D: IhateyouschoolIhateyouschoolIhateyouschool.

And I was completely and utterly going to say something useful here, but now I forget what that was, because I reread all of the comments on this entire page and went, OHCRAPIMISSYOUTOOLOVELOVELOVEYAY.

Someday we're going to meet at a con or something. People are just gonna pray to know a microcosm of our hysterical joy at some point in their own lives.

Honestly, HONESTLY, every single Panthing I do from now on will be secretly dedicated to you. Know that! Because nobody else understands that sometimes you just need to freak out hardcore over the things you love. ♥ ♥ ♥

OH RIGHT, marker stuff. =D Two of the lil' examples I linked were, indeed, drawn on computer paper (but the stuff really is lifeless; I usually grab it in a fit of frustration on days when I go to class without my sketchbook), and the others were done in my latest sketchpad, which has surprisingly heavy paper. Feels like coarse cardstock, the weight of maybe three pages of regular paper stuck together. I, uh, didn't know that when I bought it, but it does have its merits; absolutely no ink bleeds through, even when I layer on the deep shadows. XP

And, uh, I'll have to get used to being second-most awesome. RIGHT AFTER YOU. WHERE SHALL WE TAKE OUR AWESOME(ness?) NEXT, LADYSHIP? THE WORLD NEEEEEEEDS IT!

♥. Times. Infinity.

(no subject)

Date: 2007-04-15 03:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rinkatink.livejournal.com
Is it strange that I spent nearly 5 minutes just staring your pelvic thrusting icon? It's not that I haven't seen that particular .gif before, but it's oddly mezmerizing - not necessarily in a perverted kind of way. ;D

And this page! I shall keep it forever and forever! It is full of win with your awesome comments! Yet somehow I can't seem to directly save LJ pages; I might have to settle for saving this word for word in a simple Notepad document. D; TREASURETREASURETREASURE.

Someday we're going to meet at a con or something.

If dreams come true, this will be a reality. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that I'll land somewhere along the East Coast upon graduation, BECAUSE THEN MY NEXT MISSION WILL BE TO FIND YOU, HARR HARR! ♥

Honestly, HONESTLY, every single Panthing I do from now on will be secretly dedicated to you.

GRAH! You got to it before me! STOP THAT, and from here on I officially declare every Pan!work I have done (will do, am doing) is discreetly dedicated to your worshipfulness. ♥~!

Back to art stuff, what sketchpads/sketchbooks are you inclined towards, or using (particularly the one you mentioned above)? Of the late, I've been going between Strathmore and Canson (9 in. by 11 in.) for dry mediums, the latter being two dollars cheaper at 10 bucks (and with easy-rip pages!) while cheap ($2) 6.5 in. by 10 in. sketchbooks are used for really quick pencil-only impulsive sketches.

AND STOP BEING SO MODEST. I DECLARE YOU BEING FOREMOST AWESOME BEING OF THE UNIVERSE because I'm all too content to grovel at your feet and bask in your glorifying presence. Hee! ♥

WHERE SHALL WE TAKE OUR AWESOME(ness?)

... Samurai 7? :D

EPIC

Date: 2008-08-17 06:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thecrimsondance.livejournal.com
Woah. That was so awesome to read. I...I must save this page. So many questions and things to brood over with the Faun and Ofelia/Moanna.

I suppose you could call me a "shipper" of their relationship. Not one of my friends feel the same way about them - but you two! You both understand and (in a better vocabulary) delve deeper into their dark, twisted relationship with such insight! Ah, I love it.

I am SO glad I clicked the link for this journal.

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